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The Specimen

Theliopsyche (Little Brown-Green Sedges) Little Brown Sedge AdultTheliopsyche (Little Brown-Green Sedges) Little Brown Sedge Adult View 5 PicturesThis one has a neat iridescent sheen to its wings.

See the discussion for details on this fly's tentative ID.
Collected May 28, 2007 from Mystery Creek #42 in Pennsylvania
Added to Troutnut.com by on June 4, 2007

The Discussion

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TaxonJune 6th, 2007, 3:20 am
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Jason-

That would be Chimarra, most likely C. aterrima, but it could also be either C. obscura or C. socia. Based on that neat black egg mass visible in the ventral view photo, it would also appear that it's a female.
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
GONZOJune 6th, 2007, 8:08 am
Site Editor
"Bear Swamp," PA

Posts: 1681		Although I have no handy key, there are good emergences of Chimarra in most of the medium-to-large Pocono streams in May. It is routine to see them clinging to the underside of low-hanging branches or woody debris along the streams.
LitobranchaJune 12th, 2007, 12:09 pm
Knoxville TN

Posts: 51		I don't think this is a philopotamid, which lay their eggs singly instead of in large masses....

It is hard to tell from the picture but I would guess it is Micrasema or Lepidostoma, possibly Helicopsyche.
TroutnutJune 12th, 2007, 6:42 pm
Administrator
Bellevue, WA

Posts: 2737		OK, I've moved it to Microsema for now.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
TaxonJune 13th, 2007, 1:04 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Litobrancha-

What genus would this one be?
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
LitobranchaJune 14th, 2007, 6:55 am
Knoxville TN

Posts: 51		taxon i think they got that one right. kinda hard to tell from the pic though.
CrenoDecember 22nd, 2007, 2:07 pm
Grants Pass, OR

Posts: 305		Folks - This one is indeed a difficult one. I would not conclude Micrasema because the photo shows too many spurs. And I would not conclude Philopotamid because of several characters, including the egg mass Litobrancha noted. How about Theliopsyche, a rarely collected Lepidostomatid? At least Theliopsyche has the furry spurs located as in the photos and a long basal antennal segment.
CrenoDecember 31st, 2007, 7:43 am
Grants Pass, OR

Posts: 305		Folks - while I still think this is probably Theliopsyche, there was a brief mention of egg masses in this topic. I just ran into a nice specimen of Apatania incerta with the round egg mass still attached. I was going to attach a photo but couldn't figure out how to do it.
Are there instructions/procedures for attaching critter photos or is it not allowed?

dave

TaxonDecember 31st, 2007, 9:37 am
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Dave-

The (unassisted) manner of posting a photo is inserting the following markup language, except use braces rather than curly braces:

{img src=http://...whatever.jpg}

Of course, this requires that the photo already be hosted on a server.

Alternatively, if one emails photos to Jason, he will host them on this server, and create a posting for you including the accompanying email verbiage. However, since starting grad school, his response would probably be somewhat slower.
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
CrenoDecember 31st, 2007, 10:08 am
Grants Pass, OR

Posts: 305		Roger - thanks. I don't have server access and I understand the demands of grad school so I will leave the reader to their imagination. The egg mass of Apatania incerta is also spherical.

dave
TaxonDecember 31st, 2007, 11:21 am
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Dave-

There are free services like PhotoBucket, which you can use to host photos. I'd certainly like to see any critter photos you have, and I suspect there are others who would as well.
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
TaxonDecember 31st, 2007, 2:25 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350
Folks - while I still think this is probably Theliopsyche, there was a brief mention of egg masses in this topic. I just ran into a nice specimen of Apatania incerta with the round egg mass still attached.
Creno







Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com

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