Troutnut.com Fly Fishing for Trout Home
User Password
or register.
Scientific name search:

> > Identification of a possible Cordulegaster Dragonfly Nymph



The Specimen

Cordulegaster Dragonfly NymphCordulegaster Dragonfly Nymph View 4 PicturesThis is a realy big, dark dragonfly nymph. Notice how "fuzzy" it is--it's covered with small hairs that collect sediment and debris and camouflage the nymph to match its natural surroundings. The greenish cast in some of the photos of this specimen is due to strange lighting during my first night photographing things for this site.
Collected January 13, 2004 from the Namekagon River in Wisconsin
Added to Troutnut.com by on January 25, 2006

The Discussion

Post Reply
IanBMay 4th, 2009, 12:36 pm
Posts: 3I have screened through the images on this site, and I am just having a big trouble identifying this bug I have pulled of a stone in my local river.

It is very large, maybe size 10 or slightly larger, I have found other size 14 bugs of the same shape/style (also in the picture but difficult to see) and when I came across this monster I had to know what I had found. Also, after finding very similar nymphs that are size 14, can this one actually be a dragonfly? Is it just a monster of the 'normal' brown drake? Or hendrickson hatch I have heard about on this stream?

The real issue, is that I don't see a 'normal' set of twin tails, or three tails. (again not the technical term) what I do see (on the smaller and larger bug) is almost like a large paddle, and it uses this vertical paddle to swim in the water. The head is extremely flat, and it has two small antenna (like the dragonfly photo's) and two very small barbed jaw-like protrusions below the antenna and below the eye's where the mouth would be. The back appears to have two sets of wings, (neither have fully emerged) and the eye's are very similar to the dragonfly eye's in the photo's here. Also there is almost no color at all to the fly, it is a very dark mud brown/black. It looks about the same color as all the flies I pull out of the river (except the neon green caddis). Not sure if that is just a characteristic of the river, or the bug (the color that is)

One thing that is not the same, is the abdomen (bulbous in shape in the photo's on this site) does not appear to be the same as the example I have. The bug I have has a tapered abdomen going back to this 'paddle' I mentioned earlier.

More 'macro' photo's tonight when I get home, these are crappy cell phone pics for now.

Thank you for any help!
IB



https://stillmaninteriors.sslpowered.com/Images/bug.jpg

TaxonMay 4th, 2009, 1:29 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Ian-
Your photo is sufficient to determine the specimen is not a dragonfly nymph, as the abdomen outline is not right for a dragonfly, nor does a dragonfly have tail-like gills. Rather, it is a damselfly nymph (with a rather stout abdomen) of family Coenagrionidae, probably of genus Argia.
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
IanBMay 5th, 2009, 6:40 am
Posts: 3Wow, I am so surprised you are able to identify it with such a poor picture!

In anycase as promised here is a better picture (although I must say it is a bit worse for wear after a day in a plastic container). But hopefully this will confirm the damselfly nymph theory posted below.

https://stillmaninteriors.sslpowered.com/Images/DSCN2178.JPG

https://stillmaninteriors.sslpowered.com/Images/DSCN2179.JPG

https://stillmaninteriors.sslpowered.com/Images/DSCN2180.JPG
CrenoFebruary 8th, 2017, 1:18 pm
Grants Pass, OR

Posts: 305		This popped up in the trail with Mill Creek's damselflies. Clearly this is a dragonfly not Argia. These trails are great as they allow us to correct errors over time.
TaxonFebruary 8th, 2017, 3:24 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Hi Dave-

In the interest of clarification, the paddle-tailed damselfly nymph, which I believed to be of family Coenagrionidae, probably of genus Argia nearly eight years ago, was not the dragonfly nymph which appears at the top of this thread. But rather, the photo was located at https://stillmaninteriors.sslpowered.com/Images/bug.jpg, but seemingly no longer is. :-)
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
CrenoFebruary 10th, 2017, 9:48 am
Grants Pass, OR

Posts: 305		Okee Dokee then - sorry for not paying attention :-) When did you move to TX? you can PM if you want.
TaxonFebruary 10th, 2017, 1:49 pm
Site Editor
Royse City, TX

Posts: 1350		Hi Dave-

No problem. My wife (to whom I had been married for over 51 years) passed away in May of 2016. So in August of 2016, I moved to TX to live with my son and his family.

Best regards,
Best regards,
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com

Quick Reply

You have to be logged in to post on the forum. It's this easy:
Username:          Email:

Password:    Confirm Password:

I am at least 13 years old and agree to the rules.

Related Discussions

TitleRepliesLast Reply
Re: Unidentified Baetidae
(2 more)

In the Identify This! Board by Benthosfan		8May 5, 2021
by Benthosfan
Re: Aquatic Insect ID
In the Identify This! Board by QualityAqua		3Jan 25, 2010
by Taxon
Re: Damselfly nymph Grindstone Lake Wisconsin
In the Identify This! Board by Dave_K		1Jul 1, 2008
by GONZO
Re: Stupid damselfly!
In the Insect Order Odonata-Zygoptera by Troutnut		4Jul 1, 2007
by Litobrancha
Re: Nymph size Question
In General Discussion by DrLaser		4Jun 8, 2012
by Wiflyfisher
Re: Lehigh River,PA
In the Identify This! Board by John_don04		5Mar 17, 2007
by GONZO
Gills
In General Discussion by Wbranch		0
Re: 2 tails or 3
In the Mayfly Species Maccaffertium vicarium by Snagy		1Feb 6, 2010
by Taxon
Re: Help identifying?
In the Identify This! Board by Doublezz105		3Jul 9, 2007
by Taxon
Re: First Digital Fish Pics
In the Photography Board by Spud		5May 29, 2007
by D40