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Dryfly	March 18th, 2007, 11:39 am
rochester mn Posts: 133	caught in riffle about 2 cm long any ideas on what genus it might be
Taxon	March 18th, 2007, 3:15 pm
Site Editor Royse City, TX Posts: 1350	Dryfly- It appears that the larval case is flattened on the bottom, as opposed to being cylindrical. Is that true? It also appears that the case is made entirely of plant material, as opposed having rock particles incorporated in its construction. Is that true?
	Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
Dryfly	March 18th, 2007, 3:32 pm
rochester mn Posts: 133	taxon it is under water so that is why it appears to be flat. it is cylindrical the case it made primarily with fine pieces of rock with some sticks toward the back this may help I collected it in se minnesota
GONZO	March 18th, 2007, 4:23 pm
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1681	Roger, I was also deceived by the optical illusion caused by the water. Dryfly, if you could extract the larva from the case without damage and rephotograph it, the identification should be easier. Perhaps Roger, Konchu, or David would then be better equipped to nail it down with the additional information that would be provided.
Taxon	March 18th, 2007, 5:50 pm
Site Editor Royse City, TX Posts: 1350	Dryfly- The only family of caddisflies (of which I am aware), which builds stout, cylindrical, not gradually tapered or curved cases, made mainly or entirely of rock fragments, and would also be as large as your specimen is Limnephilidae. The following Limnephilidae species reside in Minnesota: Frenesia missa Limnephilus indivisus Limnephilus sericeus Limnephilus submonilifer Pycnopsyche guttifera Pycnopsyche lepida Pycnopsyche scabripennis Platycentropus radiatus Onocosmoecus unicolor Hesperophylax designatus Hydatophylax argus Of those, only Fresnia missa (Dot-Winged Sedge), and Hesperophylax designatus (Silver Stripe Sedge) build cases resembling those of your specimen. Fresnia missa only reaches a length of 13.5 mm, whereas Hesperophylax designatus reaches a length of 20 mm., so that’s what my guess would be.
	Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
GONZO	March 18th, 2007, 7:57 pm
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1681	Really nice deductive reasoning, Roger!
Taxon	March 18th, 2007, 8:57 pm
Site Editor Royse City, TX Posts: 1350	Really nice deductive reasoning, Roger! Thanks, Gonzo. However, there is (at least) one caddisfly specialist who frequents this site, so I'm kind of waiting for "the other foot" to fall!
	Best regards, Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
GONZO	March 18th, 2007, 9:26 pm
Site Editor "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1681	I know what you mean, Roger, but I still think it was an impressive application of both logic and resources. :)
Dryfly	March 19th, 2007, 4:08 am
rochester mn Posts: 133	thanks taxon and gonzo for your quick replies I appreciate it i'll post pics of the larva out of the case later today

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