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The Specimen

Cheumatopsyche (Little Sister Sedges) Caddisfly PupaCheumatopsyche (Little Sister Sedges) Caddisfly Pupa View 3 PicturesI photographed this one recently dead. It's hard to keep caddis pupae alive for very long in a collection container.
Collected May 18, 2004 from the Namekagon River in Wisconsin
Added to by on January 25, 2006

The Discussion

GONZONovember 8th, 2006, 11:08 am
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"Bear Swamp," PA

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I hate to ask you to dig through your specimen vials, but I'm curious to know if you can give a size reference for this one. I've stared at it many times. My first impression was Brachycentrus, but that impression was based entirely on color and markings. I haven't been able to find any definitive keys to verify this id (though I may be missing something).

May 18 does seem a little on the late side for most of the common Eastern/Midwestern Brachycentrus spp. But, we do have a peak emergence of a Micrasema sp. around that time on the Brodheads. This is the reason I was wondering about the size. I also wanted to call attention to this specimen in the hope that Litobrancha, Taxon, or someone else might be able to end my puzzlement.
TroutnutNovember 8th, 2006, 12:23 pm
Bellevue, WA

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Unfortunately I wasn't saving my specimens in vials back then. This was the first caddis pupa I photographed in the spring when I started this site. If I remember correctly, it was about hook size 16-18.

I'll move it to Brachycentrus for now based on your guess. The river where I collected it is in the far north of Wisconsin, which typically has timing more like the Adirondacks than PA or the Catskills or most of the famous MI water.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
GONZONovember 8th, 2006, 2:33 pm
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"Bear Swamp," PA

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Thanks Jason,

I'm still hoping that one of the bugmeisters will comment on this one, because there are a few things I find confusing.
GONZOJuly 24th, 2008, 10:26 am
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Just thought I'd take a moment to try to correct my lame old guess on this one. I must have had grannoms on the brain when I first looked at this! Although a green pupa with a dark back and belly is suggestive of some brachycentrids, that's about all that might excuse my first impression. I'm now convinced that this is a hydropsychid. If I have learned to read the hook plates on the 3rd abdominal segment correctly (thanks to Dave/Creno), this should probably be placed in Cheumatopsyche.
CrenoJuly 24th, 2008, 12:10 pm
Grants Pass, OR

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Gonzo - the aedeagus also looks like Cheumatopsyche.
GONZOJuly 24th, 2008, 12:27 pm
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"Bear Swamp," PA

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Thanks, Dave. :)

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