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BrookloverApril 22nd, 2008, 4:41 pm
chester county pa

Posts: 20
Hello! im new here and, in fact, joined in hope of getting information on a stream i came across roughly a year ago. i noticed a rocky brook leading out of the woods as i was driving one day. from what i could see, this stream had brook trout written all over it. i figured, though, that there was no way that there would be a wild brook trout stream in chester county, but decided to investigate regardless. i hiked back into the woods later that night, almost one mile from the road, without seeing any houses around or roads crossing the stream. the stream was small enough to jump across in some spots. others were just a little wider. the majority of the stream was characterized by large boulders and mini water falls that were roughly two to three feet high, while the other sections of the stream were relatively flatter and slower moving. the average depth of the pools, i would estimate to be anywhere from a foot and a half to three feet deep.

on the way back down down, i decided to give some fishing a shot. i had a spinning rod and a container of worms. i snuck up on my hands and knees and floated one of the worms down. instantly, i had a bite and as i reeled the fish in i figured it would be a creek chub or a sucker, as are common in most of the streams in my area. to my absolute astonishment, it was a brook trout about five inches in length! i only had time to fish one more hole, as it was starting to get dark and there i caught a four inch trout.

its now a year later and i have returned twice more, recently, fishing from dusk into the dark. ive yet to see signs of other fishermen having been there. each time i caught about ten trout ranging from three to five inches.

given this information, does anyone have thoughts on under which classification this stream falls? im also quite curious about any opinion anyone might have in terms of the potential that there may be even larger trout in this particular stream. i hope for the possibility that eventually i may come across trout as large as seven or eight inches, but wonder if maybe that is foolish. Still im greatful for this discovery and find greater joy in holding a 2 inch wild perhaps native brookie than a 20 inch stocked pig. Any info would be great.
Shawnny3April 22nd, 2008, 6:59 pm
Pleasant Gap, PA

Posts: 1197
given this information, does anyone have thoughts on under which classification this stream falls?

Yes. This stream classifies as a secret worth quietly murdering the occasional passerby to keep. Details may be found in other threads on this topic.

Jewelry-Quality Artistic Salmon Flies, by Shawn Davis
Chris_3gApril 22nd, 2008, 8:53 pm
Posts: 59Amen to that Shawn. I just recently discovered a gem of a stream, and I won't even tell non-fisher-people about it. Park as far from the stream as you can manage and cover your car in camouflage.

A little story just so you stop thinking that you're foolish. Last year, my wife and I fished a completely wild, alpine stream out west that contained a decent population of brook trout. I remember a particular plunge pool that was maybe a couple of feet deep and a foot or so wide producing a FAT 8-10" brookie, and I am not exaggerating (much) when I say that my wife drew interest from a 12-14" brookie hanging out underneath an undercut rock just downstream of that plunge pool. I could easily have jumped the width of the stream at its widest (not including the occasional beaver dam), so I'm pretty sure it qualifies as a small stream.

Anyway, I don't see why you shouldn't hold out some hope for discovering a larger-than-average brookie in that stream, but I wouldn't hold your breath or anything like that. I'm sure that there are more variables involved than the presence of an undercut or a decent sized pool (e.g. quantity / quality of food supply), but I can't imagine those things hurting any. Have fun and don't tell anyone!

TroutnutApril 22nd, 2008, 10:02 pm
Bellevue, WA

Posts: 2737
Yes. This stream classifies as a secret worth quietly murdering the occasional passerby to keep.

Might I suggest dumping the passerby into the creek to supplement its food web? ;)
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
SmallstreamApril 22nd, 2008, 10:20 pm
State College, PA

Posts: 103
those kind of streams are my favorite to fish! a couple days ago i hit one of my favorite small streams the other day

McjamesApril 23rd, 2008, 6:06 am
Cortland Manor, NY

Posts: 139
this is a great post... I grew up in Delaware County, and I know one or two streams that are "under the radar" as well... nothing quite so satisfying as "discovering" a wild trout stream, especially in SE Pennsylvania. The fact that they are brookies is a huge bonus in my opinion. in my totally unscientific, data-poor experience, the greater the population density of a stream such as you describe, the smaller the average trout, and vice versa. Can anyone here inform as to any correlation b/t population density and average fish size?
I am haunted by waters
BrookloverApril 23rd, 2008, 3:43 pm
chester county pa

Posts: 20
any idea of the classification( free stone, limestone ect.) Also what are easy to find indicators of fertility? Ive been using a spinning rod to fish and was curious what kind of fly rod set up could be used on a stream this small?
Jjlyon01April 23rd, 2008, 6:24 pm
SUNY Environmental Science and Forestry, Syracuse

Posts: 71
I love my Lefty Kreh Signature series Temple Forks Outfitters 7'6" 3wt for small brooks. It looks like that stream is really tight though, maybe try a little shorter like a 6'6" or 7'.
"I now walk into the wild"
GinkyhackleJuly 24th, 2012, 11:28 pm
Chester County, PA

Posts: 1
Brooklover - there are very few place you could have happened apon truly wild brook trout in Chester County. Probably fewer than a dozen. These would be (with perhaps three exceptions)small headwaters and tribs. Most of these are on heavily posted land. Impressive stream-sleuthing, amigo.
AdirmanJuly 25th, 2012, 6:37 am
Monticello, NY

Posts: 504
When I fish small streams/brooks for brookies up in the mountains, I use my 7' 3wt and use the old bow-and-arrow quite often to get the fly out since there's almost always no room in which to make a back cast!
PaulRobertsJuly 25th, 2012, 11:15 am

Posts: 1776
First order of business is to take temperatures. Brookies need it colder than browns and bows -

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