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TrtklrJune 18th, 2009, 5:59 pm

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i figured after my last post you all thought i was crazy with the whole "global cooling setting the bugs back a little this year".
here, i know this will be hard for some to swallow and wont taste as good as the kool-aid but what the hell. . . this was from 02/08.

World Temperatures according to the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction. Note the steep drop over the last year.
Twelve-month long drop in world temperatures wipes out a century of warming

Over the past year, anecdotal evidence for a cooling planet has exploded. China has its coldest winter in 100 years. Baghdad sees its first snow in all recorded history. North America has the most snowcover in 50 years, with places like Wisconsin the highest since record-keeping began. Record levels of Antarctic sea ice, record cold in Minnesota, Texas, Florida, Mexico, Australia, Iran, Greece, South Africa, Greenland, Argentina, Chile -- the list goes on and on.
No more than anecdotal evidence, to be sure. But now, that evidence has been supplanted by hard scientific fact. All four major global temperature tracking outlets (Hadley, NASA's GISS, UAH, RSS) have released updated data. All show that over the past year, global temperatures have dropped precipitously.

A compiled list of all the sources can be seen here. The total amount of cooling ranges from 0.65C up to 0.75C -- a value large enough to wipe out most of the warming recorded over the past 100 years. All in one year's time. For all four sources, it's the single fastest temperature change ever recorded, either up or down.

Scientists quoted in a past DailyTech article link the cooling to reduced solar activity which they claim is a much larger driver of climate change than man-made greenhouse gases. The dramatic cooling seen in just 12 months time seems to bear that out. While the data doesn't itself disprove that carbon dioxide is acting to warm the planet, it does demonstrate clearly that more powerful factors are now cooling it.

Let's hope those factors stop fast. Cold is more damaging than heat. The mean temperature of the planet is about 54 degrees. Humans -- and most of the crops and animals we depend on -- prefer a temperature closer to 70.

Historically, the warm periods such as the Medieval Climate Optimum were beneficial for civilization. Corresponding cooling events such as the Little Ice Age, though, were uniformly bad news.

Update 2/27: The graph for HadCRUT (above), as well as the linked graphs for RSS and UAH are generated month-to-month; the temperature declines span a full 12 months of data. The linked GISS graph was graphed for the months of January only, due to a limitation in the plotting program. Anthony Watts, who kindly provided the graphics, otherwise has no connection with the column. The views and comments are those of the author only.

what i don't understand is how did the "medieval climate optimum"(optimum=warming)happen when the industrial revolution hadn't even taken place. where did all that carbon come from. oh, yeah, like they said above IT WAS THE SUN!!!! i find it so interesting al gore and his company are going to be selling carbon credits under the new cap on trade. i guess he won't need all that oil stock he carried when he was vp.

I have seen nothing more beautiful than the sunrise on a cold stream.
Shawnny3June 18th, 2009, 6:21 pm
Pleasant Gap, PA

Posts: 1197
Wow, a pot stirred on this forum and I'm not the one stirring it!

Before you tread this ground, Trtklr, you might want to peruse this thread,, to see how it might likely go.

Jewelry-Quality Artistic Salmon Flies, by Shawn Davis
TrtklrJune 19th, 2009, 10:28 am

Posts: 115
i'm not disputing the need and our wants to keep our planet clean so don't go there. thats not what this is about. this is about the wool being pulled over everyone's eyes and being hustled. this is about government control on the private sector. this is about taxes and putting a governer on the economy like a governer on a go-cart.
I have seen nothing more beautiful than the sunrise on a cold stream.
TrtklrJune 19th, 2009, 12:46 pm

Posts: 115
this is just one website among hundreds. many links here to good data.

ok, thats all for me folks i'm off to fish.
I have seen nothing more beautiful than the sunrise on a cold stream.

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