Help unsticking my fly rod, Page 2

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CaseyP	August 21st, 2008, 1:37 pm
Arlington, VA/ Mercersburg, PA Posts: 587	sit down with your knees together, put the ferrule in front of your knees, grab both ends of your rod with your forearms just outside of your legs, seperate by pressing your legs against your arms.--trtklr a refinement of this method: if you try it and it doesn't work, find someone larger and stronger than yourself to apply this method. football is not my forte, but one of the guides at the lodge was a phys ed teacher in the winter, and he made it work. oh, and by the way, when you fish for a few hours, and then leave your rod in the sun while you eat or nap, the joints will loosen. beware of this, and also beware of tightening it up too much while it is warm. the next morning, it will be very hard to unstick.
	"You can observe a lot by watching." Yogi Berra

HighFlyer	August 29th, 2008, 8:44 am
Minnesota Posts: 24	The idea of putting cold on any part of it confuses me. Don't we learn at a very early age that cold expands and heat contracts? Maybe the person who said that is speaking from experience, in which case I should just shut my inexperienced mouth, but I would think that with the rules of how hot and cold work on the contraction and expansion of things, I would simply try to heat the inner section and leave the outer section alone. You wouldn't want to put cold on that, because then it would expand thus tightening on the inner portion. So if you were to simply try to warm the inner section, in theory, it would contract down, thus allowing it possibly slide out. Just as the last poster suggested the idea of warming it in the sun. Warming it would contract and somewhat soften, while cooling would expand and harden. Granted I see that it's already been broke, so this thought is a little late... but I can't help but wonder if it would've worked ;)
	"Calling Fly Fishing a hobby is like calling Brain Surgery a job." ~by Paul Schullery~ "Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after." ~by Henry David Thoreau~

Taxon	August 29th, 2008, 1:09 pm
Site Editor Mercer Island, WA Posts: 1004	H/F- Don't we learn at a very early age that cold expands and heat contracts? Hmmmm. Well, that isn't exactly what I learned. Are you sure you stated that the way you intended?
	Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com

HighFlyer	September 3rd, 2008, 8:41 am
Minnesota Posts: 24	Is there something I'm missing? Put water in an ice cube tray. Mark the level of the water. Freeze that water. See where the level of the ice is. It will be higher. I know that heat can have a little different effect on different materials, but generally speaking... if you put the two pieces together, then they cooled becoming stuck, wouldn't it make sense to warm them to get them apart. I believe that heating would have the opposite effect as cooling. But even if that's wrong, at the very least it would make the material more malleable, therefore allowing it to slide out more easily, I would believe. I wish I had a old rod that I could test this theory on.
	"Calling Fly Fishing a hobby is like calling Brain Surgery a job." ~by Paul Schullery~ "Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after." ~by Henry David Thoreau~

CaseyP	September 3rd, 2008, 9:52 am
Arlington, VA/ Mercersburg, PA Posts: 587	okay, here's the deal: water is different. if you freeze water, it forms a crystalline structure, which lines all the water molecules up in little cubes. the actual space occupied by the water expands. therefore, ice in road cracks causes bigger road cracks. ice in garden hoses bursts the hoses. ice in rocks cracks the rocks and eventually reduces mountains into mole hills. ice in the ice tray mounds up and fills the tray hole. when you melt the ice, the structure breaks down and the water occupies less space. everything else on this green earth works the other way: heat expands it and cold contracts it. heat makes the molecules run around and occupy more space, and cold makes the molecules sit down. all those people running around the airport occupy a lot of space. when they get into the airplane and sit down, they occupy less space. so when i left my rod in the sun, the female ferules expanded ever so slightly, and the male part expanded a little less; this made the joints wobbly. the next morning, the parts had contracted because they cooled off overnight outdoors, and they got stuck. so next time the top to the jam jar is stuck, put it under the hot water tap. maybe i could try the same thing next time the rod sticks.
	"You can observe a lot by watching." Yogi Berra

HighFlyer	September 3rd, 2008, 11:54 am
Minnesota Posts: 24	I guess that shows how long it's been since I've been in school :)
	"Calling Fly Fishing a hobby is like calling Brain Surgery a job." ~by Paul Schullery~ "Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing that it is not fish they are after." ~by Henry David Thoreau~

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