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UppersacDecember 20th, 2014, 4:11 pm
Mount Shasta, CA

Posts: 2
Need help identifying this stonefly. I am located in Northern California, Siskiyou county. We get the salmon fly hatch and the golden stone hatch in the spring time, but this stonefly hatch happens in the fall. This hatch only happens on Burney creek
Brian Theriot
Northern California fly fishing guide
www.redhackleflyfishing.com
MillcreekDecember 24th, 2014, 11:09 am
Healdsburg, CA

Posts: 297
Hi Brian-

Although stonefly records are somewhat sparse for the area the only one I can come up with is Doroneuria baumanni. It fits the size, coloration and wing venation shown in your photos. Some photos and descriptions can be seen here: http://www.johnkreft.com/golden-stonefly-cousin-doroneuria-baumanni/ and here: https://journals.lib.byu.edu/spc/index.php/wnan/article/.../28244

Mark
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"
-Albert Einstein
UppersacDecember 24th, 2014, 3:21 pm
Mount Shasta, CA

Posts: 2
Mark, thank you for identifying. No one could ever figure out the real name for that stonefly, but looks like you cleared it up for me.
Brian Theriot
Northern California fly fishing guide
www.redhackleflyfishing.com
TaxonDecember 24th, 2014, 4:09 pm
Site Editor
Plano, TX

Posts: 1271
Hi Brian-

1ncidentally, Doroneuria baumanni does indeed have a common name, which is Cascades Stone.

However, rather than it having been acquired via the fly fishing community, both it and all other N. American stonefly species known at the time, were assigned common names by an ad hoc group led by Dr. Bill Stark.
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
MillcreekDecember 24th, 2014, 4:25 pm
Healdsburg, CA

Posts: 297
Brian-

You're welcome as far as the identification is concerned. Just remember that it's a guess.

Mark
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"
-Albert Einstein
RiverKeeperDecember 24th, 2014, 7:19 pm
Sisters, Oregon

Posts: 7
Thanks for sharing my website on the Doroneuria baumanni post.

And thanks to Roger for informing me of the common name - Cascades Stone. Can you give me a timeframe for when the name was given?

Thanks

John
RiverKeeper Flies
www.johnkreft.com
TaxonDecember 24th, 2014, 9:38 pm
Site Editor
Plano, TX

Posts: 1271
Hi John-

Can you give me a timeframe for when the name was given?


Sure, the year was 1998, and here is a link to the Scientific Paper
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
EntomanDecember 25th, 2014, 11:36 am
Site Editor
Northern CA & ID

Posts: 2604
Welcome to the forum!

The time of year suggests another possibility. Claassenia sabulosa (Short-winged Stone) is the only perlid well known for hatching in the Fall. The other genera of perlids are usually Spring and Summer emergers. The males have stubby wings well short of their abdomen tips. Even though the females have longer wings, the ones on your specimen (that I believe to be female) seem a little long. Is the anomaly the slightly longer wings or the time of year?

Fortunately, western perlids are relatively easy to identify. This can be done with the naked eye if any spcimens were retained. Check out our encyclopedia for info on how to do this. Are there any closeups of the head, associated male abdominal ventrals or some associated nymph dorsals?
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
TaxonDecember 25th, 2014, 5:14 pm
Site Editor
Plano, TX

Posts: 1271
In case anyone is having trouble tracking with the posts in this (somewhat convoluted) thread, for purpose of adult stonefly comparison, the 1st image below is a cropped and slightly lightened version of the 1st photo from Uppersac (Brian Theriot's) id request.

And, the 2nd image below is a cropped version of the 1st photo from RiverKeeper (John Kreft's) wonderful blog, The Golden Stonefly Cousin – Doroneuria baumanni, which was (most helpfully) linked to in Millcreek (Mark Melton's) post.

Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
RiverKeeperDecember 25th, 2014, 8:11 pm
Sisters, Oregon

Posts: 7
I've got a couple of other pics I could post that weren't included in my blog, but since I'm new I'm not sure how to add .jpg files.
John
RiverKeeper Flies
www.johnkreft.com
TaxonDecember 26th, 2014, 12:24 am
Site Editor
Plano, TX

Posts: 1271
Hi John-

In order to add an image to an existing post, it must first be uploaded to a server somewhere, like on photobucket, or elsewhere.

Once the photo resides on a server, it's simply a matter of editing an existing post, and then inserting the web address of the image (surrounded by image begin and image end codes) wherever desired in the post.

For further clarification, please see Troutnut Forum Codes.
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
RiverKeeperDecember 26th, 2014, 1:09 am
Sisters, Oregon

Posts: 7
Thanks Roger...I'll give it a try...









These are additional pics of the Cascades Stone that weren't included in my blog post.

John
John
RiverKeeper Flies
www.johnkreft.com
MillcreekDecember 26th, 2014, 10:46 am
Healdsburg, CA

Posts: 297
John-

Those are nice pics. Not as good as the ones on the blog, but nice angles.

Mark
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"
-Albert Einstein
RiverKeeperDecember 26th, 2014, 4:47 pm
Sisters, Oregon

Posts: 7
I agree Mark, which is why I didn't include them. Didn't know if they would be helpful here or not.

John
John
RiverKeeper Flies
www.johnkreft.com
PaulRobertsJanuary 7th, 2015, 12:17 am
Colorado

Posts: 1754
This is just a great site.
RiverKeeperJuly 19th, 2015, 6:15 pm
Sisters, Oregon

Posts: 7
Here is a nymph I found a couple of days ago while kicknetting. I'm guessing it's Doroneuria baumanni Nymph that I wrote about in my RiverKeeper Flies blog post - The Golden Stonefly Cousin – Doroneuria baumanni (http://www.johnkreft.com/golden-stonefly-cousin-doroneuria-baumanni/)


John
RiverKeeper Flies
www.johnkreft.com
TaxonJuly 19th, 2015, 9:30 pm
Site Editor
Plano, TX

Posts: 1271
Hi John-

The link to the nymph photo need to be a url that ends with ".jpg".
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
RiverKeeperJuly 20th, 2015, 2:05 am
Sisters, Oregon

Posts: 7
Thanks for the help Roger - I changed the image.
John
RiverKeeper Flies
www.johnkreft.com
MillcreekJuly 20th, 2015, 11:00 am
Healdsburg, CA

Posts: 297
John-

If you kept the specimen it shouldn't be a problem to ID it. It's a Perlidae species. There are only a few in California. Hesperoperla and Claasenia have anal gills and it doesn't appear that yours does. Doroneuria and Calineuria can be separated by the following features. Doroneuria has the dorsum of body with median, longitudinal row of fine, silky setae. Calineuria does not have the dorsum of body with median, longitudinal row of fine, silky setae.
"If we knew what it was we were doing, it would not be called research, would it?"
-Albert Einstein
RiverKeeperJuly 22nd, 2015, 8:02 pm
Sisters, Oregon

Posts: 7
Here are a couple more pics of the nymph...top and bottom:



John
RiverKeeper Flies
www.johnkreft.com
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