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| Wiflyfisher | August 3rd, 2007, 12:13 am | |
| Wisconsin Posts: 252 | While on the river tonight with lots of caddis I saw a few mayfly spinners that I don't believe I have seen before. It is a dark reddish-brown, and 9/16" long body with 2 tails. It looks a lot like Isonychia bicolor that I have caught before but this is definitely smaller in size. although my guess is it is Isonychia bicolor. See photo for a digital shot I took tonight. | |
| John S. http://www.WiFlyFisher.com | ||
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| Taxon | August 3rd, 2007, 12:44 am | |
| Mercer Island, WA Posts: 506 | John- I believe it to be an Isonychia bicolor male imago, probably the one previously classified as I. harperi, which has brown forelegs with whitish tarsi. It is listed in The Biology Of Mayflies as having a body length of 12 mm., which is slight less than 9/16". | |
| Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
| Wiflyfisher | August 3rd, 2007, 9:16 am | |
| Wisconsin Posts: 252 | Roger, thanks for the reply. I am still surprised because of the size. I realize flies may vary in size. But in the past on this Midwest river the Isonychia bicolor spinners I have collected were a good, solid 1" long and I have never seen them in August. Although I know sparse, sporatic hatches can occur later on for most aquatic insects. | |
| John S. http://www.WiFlyFisher.com | ||
| Konchu | August 3rd, 2007, 10:33 am | |
| Indiana Posts: 212 | Isonychia probably is correct, but it could a species other than bicolor. However, bicolor has a lot of variation in its appearance. | |
| Wiflyfisher | August 3rd, 2007, 2:23 pm | |
| Wisconsin Posts: 252 | By the way, what ever happened to Isonychia sadleri? I always thought I. bicolor had the white stripe down the middle of the back of the nymph and I. sadleri did not. | |
| John S. http://www.WiFlyFisher.com | ||
| Troutnut | August 3rd, 2007, 2:43 pm | |
| Fairbanks, AK Posts: 1122 | I. bicolor has a wide spectrum of stripey-ness (to use the technical term) in the nymph. I even found one that kept the stripe as a dun in Penn's Creek. This one is surely Isonychia, and probably it's just a small bicolor. (I would say "definitely," but Konchu's "probably correct" phrasing leads me to think there's some very obscure and improbable family he can't quite rule out. Or maybe he's just displaying a scientist's habitual caution.) I've caught I. bicolor duns in a variety of sizes. This might be the first one I've seen that's actually as small as all the imitations sold in fly shops. | |
| Jason Neuswanger The Troutnut | ||
| Wiflyfisher | August 3rd, 2007, 4:20 pm | |
| Wisconsin Posts: 252 | Jason, you can guess which river I caught it on, probably the same river you photographed yours on too. Just amazes me that it's such a smaller size. Maybe I discovered a NEW sub-species!! We could call it: Isonychia bicolor runta, or Isonychia bicolor namie. :) | |
| John S. http://www.WiFlyFisher.com | ||
| Taxon | August 3rd, 2007, 5:11 pm | |
| Mercer Island, WA Posts: 506 | By the way, what ever happened to Isonychia sadleri? John- It became one of the many synonyms of Isonychia bicolor. See below, which is cut and pasted (and in my opinion, properly italicized) from Mayfly Central's N. American Master Species List: Isonychia bicolor (Walker), 1853 [CAN:NE;USA:NE,SE]
Isonychia albomanicata (Needham), 1905 (syn.) Isonychia christina Traver, 1934 (syn.) Isonychia circe Traver, 1934 (syn.) Isonychia fattigi Traver, 1934 (syn.) Isonychia harperi Traver, 1934 (syn.) Isonychia matilda Traver, 1934 (syn.) Isonychia pacoleta Traver, 1932 (syn.) Isonychia sadleri Traver, 1934 (syn.) Palingenia bicolor Walker, 1853 (orig.) Siphlurus bicolor (Walker), 1853 (comb.) | |
| Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
| Wiflyfisher | August 3rd, 2007, 5:50 pm | |
| Wisconsin Posts: 252 | Roger, thanks. I saw that earlier today when I did a Google search. I am curious to know how they determine all those species are all the same insect? | |
| John S. http://www.WiFlyFisher.com | ||
| Taxon | August 3rd, 2007, 6:50 pm | |
| Mercer Island, WA Posts: 506 | John- I could probably provide an answer that is adequate for your purposes, but I'm hoping Konchu will step to the plate, and give you something better. | |
| Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
| Konchu | August 3rd, 2007, 7:41 pm | |
| Indiana Posts: 212 | Boris Kondratieff worked on this group in the 1980s. He reported his findings, with coauthor JR Voshell, in the following paper: Kondratieff BC; Voshell JR Jr. 1984. The North and Central American species of Isonychia (Ephemeroptera: Oligoneuriidae). Transactions of the American Entomological Society 110:129-244. You'd have to locate a copy at a university that carries that journal. The old-fashioned way to determine that all the species are the same insect (and still the way most people do it now) is to look at lots and lots of specimens from as many different places and from as many different times as possible. Spinners, duns, nymphs, eggs. The works. Raise the larvae through to the adult stage to see what you get. Compare what you see to museum specimens (especially those that are the 'official' holders of names). Even better yet: get out in the streams and observe who lives where and how each form acts. In other words, try your darndest to find differences. New molecular tools can help sort things out (or murky the water), but often the old, name-bearing, specimens cannot be defaced or destroyed to take tissue necessary for molecular analysis. So you're left with the expert's *opinion*, based on what he or she has seen. Gotta run. Happy Friday, everyone! | |
| Wiflyfisher | August 4th, 2007, 8:13 am | |
| Wisconsin Posts: 252 | Konchu, thank you for elaborating on how you go about trying to determine the various types of aquatic insects. Now for my next question. :-)However, bicolor has a lot of variation in its appearance When does variation in appearance dictate that the insect is another specie in the same family/genus rather than calling it the same specie as others? | |
| John S. http://www.WiFlyFisher.com | ||
| Konchu | August 4th, 2007, 8:53 am | |
| Indiana Posts: 212 | As with the organisms themselves, this answer can vary. Long story short, though: if there is not a smooth range of variation and some forms are consistently distinctive in at least one life stage, then perhaps these represent a new species. Sometimes different species are not that different in form, but have big differences in behavior (e.g., some crickets' songs, fireflies' flash pattern, perhaps some aquatic insects' courtship behavior). DNA differences can make strong suggestions about this, too, and the DNA is really useful because it doesn't change between life stages (egg, larva... adult). But we still need to develop our DNA technology further. | |
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