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BrookymanMay 21st, 2014, 3:05 pm
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I really can not confirm that these are the same species or (form) but they were hatching at the same basic time frame. I was calling the adult a Cheumatophyche because it looks a lot like the one Jason has posted here see below. I am now unsure and am now thinking Hydrophyche. Partly because if the pupa is the same form or species the wing-pad is way to light more of a ginger tone than the dark brown is see in the pupa photos of Cheumatophyche. The microscope photos are of the adult only. Also the wing of the adult is 11 mm and the body was about 8 mm. Collected May 20th.

http://www.troutnut.com/specimen/321 adult Cheumatophyche

http://www.troutnut.com/specimen/324 pupa Cheumatophyche

http://www.troutnut.com/specimen/715 pupa Hydrophyche more like mine.

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WOW I just noticed this remark by Jason on the Hydrophyche pupa

Also, this is what I would call an "immature" pupa. The wingpads of caddis pupae darken to nearly black as the enclosed adults near emerging. The darkening is the developing adult wing inside the pupal wing pad. The ultimate coloration of the adult wing is not very apparent in most pupal wing pads as the majority of the adult wing coloration comes from the color/position of the adult wing hairs and setae. But dark pupal wingpads are a good indication that the emergence will occur very soon, likely that day or so, and that the adult parts are sufficiently developed within the pupae to make a species determination from the specimen, particularly if it is a male.



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CrenoAugust 27th, 2014, 1:40 am
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not sure why I missed this one earlier - there is one ventral pic of the male parts. It belongs to one Hydropsyche species. But it is too out of focus to take a shot at species.

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