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BrookymanJanuary 6th, 2014, 1:35 am
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I know that being both and female and more so a dun this will not be identified and that is OK with me. But it should make for a very unique conversation :-). Even though it is a dun these red marked signature markings do transcend into the spinner stage. I have pondered over this one for some time. So let me know what you think of her. This is one of many samples that I have in my computer as gildersleevei and I call her that so I know where she is !!! in my massive Stenacron section. I have marked very unique features on the pictures. Because of the pleura streaks I don't see it as a S gildersleevei or minnetonka.

only one thing for sure is !!! it is a Stenacron


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BrookymanJanuary 8th, 2014, 3:19 am
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On the subject that Mayfly central has S gildersleevei list as NE CAN for distribution. I added a illustration I did for that specie from descriptions Burks & Traver. I believe I am very close on this illustration. Because there are no known photos of S gildersleevei it can be tough to put a face to a name. Tell me what your thought's are ???

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TaxonJanuary 8th, 2014, 4:58 am
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Mack-

Outstanding art work.
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BrookymanJanuary 8th, 2014, 4:02 pm
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Thank you Roger coming from you that means allot!!! big time!!!

Wait till you see all off them. I have started book 1 in a series of illustration books for all Ephemeroptera of Ontario. I am putting a face to a name!!! for all " FORMS" within a genus. The complete history of Stenacron is book 1. I am illustrating from my slide collections, photos, and all descriptions for all the original "forms" and all the anatomical parts not just the keys for both larva and adults. As well I am writing a very detailed history from (Thomas Say 1839) till (Kluge 2010) including all the past disagreements in all the past synonymies which is enabling me to create a systematic checklist platform of body " KEYS, features, maculation ". With this simple plan we can then look at a sample compare it to this list, and bring your choices down to one or two "forms" to pick from. I am writing all the books in the principles that we have in the book (HATCH'S II) a systematic and simple approach for anybody to use. The introduction is a short biography on Thomas Say for all his known history. Book #2 is the Maccaffertium / Stenonema group with biographies on both Traver, and Mccafferty and I am half way through them.

I am hoping that this complete and intense study of the "Forms " of Stenacron, may help sort out the forms and may encourage the professional world to re examine this very complex group. Science from my view point does not have the budget to create detailed illustrations like this for all "forms" which leaves a lot of "HOLES" unfilled in form study and that is were the taxonomic confusion comes into play. By taking a variable specie and adding several other variable forms to a specie as synonymies it makes the range of maculation look ridiculous to the naked eye. Adding the fact that specie is a "concept or hypothesis" makes it that much more confusing for the amature only because technically speaking neither exists they are only a given state in which to measure normality and are subject to change as stated by Luke and Jeff. The form heterotarsale is a great example according to Jeff the DNA work supports that herterotarsale should be valid specie and will likely be subject to change. So since ( Spieth 1947 ) forward we know nothing about this form or its environmental needs and requirements. Check out the sample test run checklist I am inserting as a photo for the darker range forms. You can see with this data finding form can be made very easy. Having any one form in your hand known, makes it very easy to take it to a specie if so desired.

I will make 3 hand made hard bound copies for book one, 1 for me and one for you and Kurt, as a way of thanking both of you for being really excellent friends and a big help in my personal growth.


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TaxonJanuary 8th, 2014, 5:24 pm
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My goodness, Mack. You have rendered me speechless. :-)
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LastchanceJanuary 8th, 2014, 6:13 pm
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My goodness, Mack. You have rendered me speechless. :-)




Well, Mack, no one has ever rendered me speechless, but what a great job you've done.
Thanks
BrookymanJanuary 8th, 2014, 7:29 pm
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Thank you to both of you.

Wait till you see my larva head & abdomen illustrations they blow me away.

It is a enormous task to sort them all out to their forms and then specie. These books are going to be jargon defined for everybody. They are full out biology but through illustrations with RED arrows pointing the way, the scientific terms can be seen by all very clearly. I will also include the most used common names for each one, for my friends like Bruce.

They say it, and it is true " A picture is worth a thousand words".

The other cool thing is on illustrations is there is no focal issues, or background to effect what we see. I personally feel that they are not so much of a artwork because I have made master illustration templates that I print off and just color in the blanks. This way everything is uniform in size and shape. But they are watercolor pencils I am now using so maybe they are a form of artwork.




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TaxonJanuary 8th, 2014, 9:51 pm
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Mack,

Fascinating, how does one one make a "master illustration template"?
Roger Rohrbeck
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EntomanJanuary 8th, 2014, 10:00 pm
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I'm speechless as well, Mack. Great illustrations, though!
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
BrookymanJanuary 8th, 2014, 10:11 pm
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OK I am inserting two more illustrations one is the maculation coloring plate that I print off to color in for Stenacron sp larva head capsule & pronotum. The second one is this maculation plate filled in for the FORM of S interpunctatum / conjunctum which is in my slide set STENA-4-pink dot, which is posted right under the frontale shelf that is my file coding system. Using colored sticker dots combined with numbers and prefix of STENA for Stenacron. Hope that help explain it somewhat.


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Kschaefer3January 9th, 2014, 9:17 am
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I agree with the others, the illustrations are incredible. I am also very interested in this book you are creating. That is some serious time and dedication!
BrookymanJanuary 9th, 2014, 6:16 pm
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Thanks

I really like this group and my personality has always been a fan of the underdog. They have been very ignored for way to long. On the surface they seem to be so complex that most have seemed to stand back from them while spending massive resources in other genus. So MAYBE it may inspire a review of the genus itself. Heck I don't even know if such a book, or series of books can even get published, and truth be known I am putting this together for me so I can know these CATS for my own interest. If I can get it published a whirlwind of other books will follow one for each genus. The books concept is for the amature and expert fly fishermen-mayfly collectors that are like me and just want to know more.

Truly its about putting a ""face to a name"", whether the name is valid at this time is not relevant. There are thousand of mayflies that people have never seen before cause there are no photos of them, But there are great description of them. So by coloring in the ""blanks"" with detailed illustrations of what is a reasonable interpretation of and specie or form can aid in clarifying what mayfly you have in your hand. If you have in your hand a mayfly, and you know the genus, by looking at the illustration, and the checklist you can come to a reasonable conclusion and maybe even a definitive one.

Having my pre made blank illustrations to fill in makes this possible to do this with minimal time spent. However it normally takes up to 7 hours to detail a larva abdomen in high detail but once it done its done. But if I feel that form needs more samples to show the variation I am producing multiples of that form or specie. I think I will make another post on this to try to get a better feel on how many people feel it is something they would want to own and maybe even get some kind of perspective on a possible market place.


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