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JohnNY has attached these 8 pictures to aid in identification. The message is below.
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This last photo is the intermittent stream where these (what are they?) bugs live, breed and die.
I JUST saw that I was PM'd last JUNE asking for this photo... Sorry...
This last photo is the intermittent stream where these (what are they?) bugs live, breed and die.
I JUST saw that I was PM'd last JUNE asking for this photo... Sorry...
LastchanceDecember 24th, 2013, 10:07 am
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OK I know now for sure the genus and species and they love that kind of water.

They are Stenacron I see the black spots in the mid area of the forewing towards the front edge. I will look at my specs to ad the species in a half hour. I spent all winter studying this group in great detail.


So, these are Light Cahills?
BrookymanDecember 24th, 2013, 11:22 pm
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Hey Bruce merry Christmas they are light cahills.
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EntomanDecember 25th, 2013, 6:16 am
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Thanks for bringing this back up, guys. Could this be a species of Leucrocuta? If so, Yellow Quills - not Lt. Cahills, Bruce.;) The wing maculation and pronotum/head look wrong for Stenacron, Mack. What really bothers me though is the giant spread between the eyes (width of compound eye). That is usually diagnostic for Yellow Quills when separating them out from most heptageniids.

John -
Sorry for all the unnecessary confusion caused in no small part by my speculation earlier on in the thread. I was on the road at the time and should have left it alone, but I just wasn't comfortable with the Cahill idea then and only slightly more now.

Merry Christmas, everybody!
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BrookymanDecember 25th, 2013, 1:00 pm
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Merry Christmas Kurt.

Black pigment dash's in the R1 & R2 are of Stenacron.

From my re-reading of all the known descriptions for Stenacron carolina they all clearly state eyes remote from each other. This is the most descriptive one of the head, eyes size and placement from
(Burks 1953).

Compound eyes relatively small, separated on vertex by a space as wide as one eye;
.



Mack
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EntomanDecember 28th, 2013, 4:33 am
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Thanks, Mack. Same to you.

Yes, I had forgotten the eye exception with carolina. I seem to remember discussing the eyes of these guys before in another thread(s)... Deja Vu! :) Still, many of the specimens in this topic don't look to have the right maculation. In addition, Yellow Quills can also have thickened cross veins in the radial spaces. Doesn't mean I think you are wrong as I agree their size and overall conformation is a good match for the Cahills.
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BrookymanDecember 28th, 2013, 10:51 pm
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I seem to remember discussing the eyes of these guys before in another thread(s)... Deja Vu! :)


I am sure that was in this thread and others regarding the eye space. Back a couple days ago inside this thread I posted some Stenacron carolina tergum specs did you see that posting ??? It was just above Bruce's newest post.

BTW remember you are free to grab any photos I have posted of any mayflies and add them into the encyclopedia I look forward to seeing any of my pictures in the library.

Mack.
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EntomanDecember 30th, 2013, 6:16 pm
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...remember you are free to grab any photos I have posted of any mayflies and add them into the encyclopedia I look forward to seeing any of my pictures in the library.

Thanks for the offer, Mack. The problem is links aren't usable. I have to have the file on my hard drive to upload and I'm backlogged trying to get mine up let alone anybody else's right now. Perhaps in the future we can go over them so you can email some to me.
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BrookymanDecember 30th, 2013, 6:43 pm
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Got ya.

I will send you photos and only the best photos I have, with any details I have on that them regarding dates and places. I will send you files every so often so you are not overloaded :-) They will be of one photo shot only at a time for the sake of confusion.

Mack.
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JohnNYFebruary 7th, 2014, 11:20 am
Posts: 15I see you guys got back into this one...SO, what is it? :)
I also see that I was PM'd in JUNE asking for a photo of the stream...
I added it. The location is Unadilla, NY.
EntomanFebruary 7th, 2014, 12:17 pm
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Most likely Stenacron Carolina (Summer Cahill), John.
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BrookymanFebruary 7th, 2014, 3:13 pm
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Man that's the size creeks I fish a lot !!!...I agree with Kurt On Stenacron carolina
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JohnNYFebruary 12th, 2014, 8:26 am
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Man that's the size creeks I fish a lot !!!...I agree with Kurt On Stenacron carolina
You'd be up for a day of disappointment if you thought you'd be catching fish here... The bugs in this usually temporary stream only have to contend with the threat from the birds and salamanders. Now if by fishing you mean CRAYfishing... You'd catch your limit...
JohnNYSeptember 19th, 2014, 6:00 pm
Posts: 15I'm demanding that we reopen this case file.

:)
JohnNYSeptember 21st, 2014, 3:07 pm
Posts: 15Can anyone enlighten me as to what the preferred habitats are for both Maccaffertium pudicum and Stenacron Carolina?

Thanks.
TaxonSeptember 21st, 2014, 3:35 pm
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Hi John-

As both are clinger nymphs, I would expect them to be found clinging to the under side of large rock surfaces in moderate to swift current.
Roger Rohrbeck
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JohnNYSeptember 22nd, 2014, 7:51 am
Posts: 15Thanks, Taxon.
So if one of these critters finds an intermittent stream(inches of flow some parts of the year and NO surface flow other parts of the year)to its liking then the other would probably find it to its liking also?
TaxonSeptember 22nd, 2014, 9:42 am
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John-

Perhaps so.
Roger Rohrbeck
www.FlyfishingEntomology.com
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