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Brookyman has attached these 14 pictures to aid in identification. The message is below.
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ventral
ventral
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ventral prothorax
ventral prothorax
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adult ventral head
adult ventral head
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dorsal head
dorsal head
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middle thorax dorsal TURBICALS
middle thorax dorsal TURBICALS
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mid abdomen dorsal
mid abdomen dorsal
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abdomen 5ish dorsal
abdomen 5ish dorsal
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7-10 dorsal
7-10 dorsal
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Nymph dorsal turbicals on 9 ???
Nymph dorsal turbicals on 9 ???
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mid abdomen nymph dorsal
mid abdomen nymph dorsal
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left 5th gill I believe dorsal
left 5th gill I believe dorsal
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ventral thorax nymph
ventral thorax nymph
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head face on anterior view
head face on anterior view
BrookymanDecember 17th, 2012, 11:04 pm
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OK I will comment on view in the captions for positions.

Mack.

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KonchuDecember 18th, 2012, 9:45 am
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The only thing that really is going to help here is a close view of the genitalia, and the spines on the ventral face that I need to see (or not see) may not be terribly visible on this subimago. I would hesitate to call this thing fratercula; it was just an idea worth pursuing. In the meantime, I'd call it "Ephemerella invaria group."
BrookymanDecember 18th, 2012, 3:14 pm
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Hey Luke

So its it safe to say that I should remove and mount the genitals ???.

My only concern is I am not the most practiced at removing them and as you of
all people know they can be difficult to remove without damaging them.

I am more than willing to go forward in mounting them. I just try to keep in mind that if I as a hobbiest have something rare or important believe it should be handled by a professional.

Let me know

Mack.
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BrookymanDecember 18th, 2012, 3:38 pm
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Just one more thing. I have several nymphs dissected and mounted that match this nymphal shuck they are marrked as subvaria. In dissection they look like rotunda & subvaria some parts match one and not the other so I have been referring to them as subvaria variants. There is a constant feature on the nymphs that is not on my typical subvaria samples. They all have a pale mark on the anterior lateral edge of the pronotum that can be seen in the shuck in the original thread. There are other features in the details of the mouth parts. If you are curious about the nymph for detail I can give them to you. I have made a large water color painting of the maxillae that shows signs of both species in it.

Mack.
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JesseDecember 18th, 2012, 11:31 pm
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That legitimately does look like ET... On a serious note though some awesome pictures!
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BrookymanDecember 19th, 2012, 2:35 am
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Thanks Jesse
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