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BrookymanJune 22nd, 2012, 6:22 pm
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MR, G …Kurt , and anybody else my Pudicum enigma

You guy’s got me to look. As I had said I had not spent any time
on this guy. I do have to hand to both of you. All your photo
choices are very tight.

Mr G; your second pick is closer I believe. The ventral marking and general color of the first are unlike mine. Base on the overall on color. However we all know the value of that.


Kurt , if I lived 100 miles east and the your wing’s were not so lime’ ish, I wouldn’t be typing right now I would leave it as pudicum yours is the tightest of the 3. At least that what I feel.


OK all that aside. Now I am going to borrow Spence’s stir-stick..

Sorry before I get into this, 1, I do have the gentiles, but they are slightly smashed I pressed too hard on the cover , however the radial shaping can still be of help.

Pudicum is to far out of my area but I can‘t rule it out. But size shape and color cross veins are very close.

So did some digging to be very surprised.

On my sample one important KEY, no marginal shading on my hind wing see the microscope photos.

Photo 1 my hind wing outer margin
2 Tripunctatum hind wing.
3 genitals mine
4 Tri, Fem, Pudi genitals
5 my bulla area
6 my tarsus

Geographically speaking : Tripunctatum, Femoratum are both mine and show promise.




Tripunctatum ; Key 1, ( No shading on the rear wing ), general size and wing length’s are good. Bulla region is OK not as good in my mind, as the
femoratum’s bulla region.. Now this gets going. The posterior margin of the hind wings. Mine ( does not match the tripunctatum ) the vein / cross vein pattern: see photos. Lewis / mine. From what I can find the imago of tripunctatum the dorsal view is very faint and I have a hard time seeing mine molt too that light of shade.

Femoratum ; Key 1, ( shaded hind wing ). Tergal region from a dorsal view imago is what I feel mine may have become. I now wish he hade molted that would have helped here. Key 2. Femoratum has DK brown eyes as a dun. He smashed genitals are by shape on the inner posterior region the radius is very similar, as well as the outer radius based on what’s left. As a imago if mine had of molted it may have got pretty close. Also I have add a photo of my bulla region, and tibia section.


If Someone to me I had to pick one right Now ..It would be the Femoratum
But , that hind wing shading if that is a very reliable key then mine doesn’t make all 3 in question.

Now I can wait cause I know you both have something in mind. I said at the very start to Spence. Where is Kurt, he will have a odd M, in mind.


Mack

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EntomanJune 22nd, 2012, 7:15 pm
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I'm not sure I follow where this is going, Mack. If this topic is related to your recent one on the Maccaffertium dun, that one was settled to my satisfaction. Gonzo is reasonably certain that it is vicarium and I have to agree with him. While he'd be the first to say that there is rarely absolute certainty with photos, nobody is better at photo ID'ing eastern heptageniids, IMHO. So, you should have confidence in the determination.
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
BrookymanJune 22nd, 2012, 7:27 pm
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I miss read that... I was thinking it was still
being worked on..OK no problem

Thanks anyway.
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EntomanJune 22nd, 2012, 7:48 pm
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No problem. Sorry for the confusion, in which I played no small part.:)
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
BrookymanJune 22nd, 2012, 9:16 pm
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I agree, now off to tie a fly or two.
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