Troutnut Forum > Fly Hatch Talk > Clusters of midges and the Griffith's Gnat
This topic is about the True Fly Family Chironomidae
Midges are the most important aquatic insects in some places, especially fertile spring creeks where they are extremely abundant and the current is so slow that it's efficient for trout to surface feed on very tiny insects.
Some midges are large, up to hook size 14, but the majority are size 22 or smaller. The number of genera and species is hopelessly huge for angler entomologists to ever learn, and the identifing characteristics often require slide-mounting tiny parts under high-powered microscopes. Even the most Latin-minded fisherman must slip back to the basics--size and color--to describe his local midge hatches. Read more...
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The Discussion
| Troutnut | April 11th, 2007, 1:20 am | |
| Fairbanks, AK Posts: 1435 | This is a spin-off from a tangent in another topic which seems worthy of its own thread. I wrote about the midge I photographed: I'm not sure how a griffith's gnat is supposed to imitate such a thing Gonzo replied: Schwiebert's theory was that when it was awash in the film, the herl and halo of hackle suggested the loosening pupal shuck around the dark body of the emerging midge. Others have speculated that it imitates a cluster of midges. Both theories are reasonable, I suppose, depending on the size of the Griffith's Gnat that is effective relative to the size of the actual midge. Like many anglers, I just know that it does work. :) Those are the explanations I've heard, too, but I'm skeptical of both. I'm not doubting the effectiveness of the Griffith's Gnat; I just think people have traditionally stretched the bounds of credibility when trying to explain a fly's success in imitative terms, and this is one of the more prominent examples. Has anybody here seen a cluster of midges on the water? I haven't. I have seen midges thickly grouped on rocks next to the water, and I don't doubt that they occasionally fall off of there, and probably sometimes two are three are clinging to each other. I've also seen early-season stoneflies balled up with each other in an opaque little (presumably mating-related) clump on a midstream boulder, and I wouldn't be surprised if some midge species do something like that too. But trout don't see balls of midges floating around very often on any stream I've ever observed. Has anyone experienced that? In either case, I can't see something so opaque as a Griffith's Gnat effectively imitating what would surely be a loose ball of gangly entangled midges. You would have to roll them around in your fingers for a while to goo them together so solidly. I just can't see the herl and hackle imitating, or even suggesting, a loosening pupal shuck. Shucks don't get that loose. They trail behind length-wise; they don't balloon to the sides. And they aren't pointy. Of course I'm sure Schwiebert knows all that and was just trying to add an idea to the mix of explanations, but I do find that one as far-fetched as the others. Here's another far-fetched guess: maybe the hackle and refractive trickery in the surface film reduce the perceived thickness of the fly and it passes for a single midge pretty well. This could be tested in an aquarium but it's late and I'm feeling lazy. I think it's more likely that when trout take a Griffith's Gnat they're only looking for (at most) the right general size and color. It's not as fun, but sometimes things are really that simple. | |
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| GONZO | April 11th, 2007, 1:03 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1313 | The only time I can clearly recall seeing clusters of midges on the water was on the Provo River, UT in late winter. All of the hatching/feeding activity was in slow side channels and backwaters, but we did have a "ball" fishing Griffith's Gnats over some BIG browns and rainbows. Personally, I think that a heavy accumulation of emerging midges presents a fairly confusing picture to the trout. So much so that no focus on a single clean or consistent image is warranted (or perhaps even possible). Likewise, no easy explanation of a successful imitation is discernable. Heck, sometimes the fish just open their mouths and engulf midges en masse. I have also always believed that the smaller the prey (and the smaller the imitation), the less the details matter--to the fish or the fly-tier. | |
| Fishsage | April 11th, 2007, 10:40 pm | |
| Posts: 1 | Hey Troutnut, first just wanted to say what a great site you have. Awesome pictures. I just found it yesterday. I just got back from fishing a great midge hatch in Montana for 4 days and the water was covered with them. On the cloudy and snowy days the fish were up on them. Midges do ball up into clusters on open water and the Griffith's Gnat has been my pattern of choice for many years. In calm water close to shore the natuarals do clump and don't move much. I think the fly does represent a cluster well and if you watch the single adults on open water they are not static. They "hover" and dart around on the surface and their wings beat very rapidly. I think it is this motion that may give the naturals a more robust apperance than they actually have and may be why the G.G., with its peacock body and hackle works so well. So in the right size and with decent presentation it usually gets em. | |
| Ejreams | July 14th, 2008, 4:21 pm | |
| Cheney Washington Posts: 1 | I think the griffith's gnat is suppose to resemble a collection of "gnats" "midges" or other small flies together on the surface, usually in the act of mating. That's what I've heard anyways, it sure does work sometimes though, whatever it looks like i'll fish it :) | |
| Ephemeral | January 17th, 2009, 11:14 pm | |
| Durango, CO Posts: 1 | FWIW- I have seen midges cluster. Today as a matter of fact. It only happens when there is a blanket hatch of Chironomids which usually doesn't happen until the cold snap ends in mid January. I took a nice bow today on a gnat that was a good two sizes larger than the natural. This particular fish keyed on clusters of three or more midges. | |
| Martinlf | January 20th, 2009, 2:13 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 1481 | Is midge clustering vs. no clustering an east/west thing? I've never seen midges cluster up during or after a hatch, but have heard and read about this in descriptions of western waters and their hatches. I note those describing clustering in this thread are talking about western waters. Any Easterners familiar with the phenomena of midge clustering in streams this side of the Continental Divide? | |
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| Shawnny3 | January 21st, 2009, 7:29 am | |
| Pleasant Gap, PA Posts: 831 | Just one more example of everything being bigger out West... -Shawn | |
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| Trc101 | February 28th, 2009, 8:16 pm | |
| Posts: 1 | Oh yes I have seen clusters of Midges on the San Juan river in New Mexico. They looked very simular to a Griffith's Gnat. I think you will find that on any cold tailwater that is loaded with Midges. | |
| OMG | March 4th, 2009, 9:49 pm | |
| Posts: 8 | Hello guys,I would like to know what midge I observed on the "Saucon Creek" in mid February .Very tiny,3-4 mils,say a size28,stocky body,dun tent type wings same length as body.I managed to snatch one ,thought I might take it home,but lost it when I made the decision. Gave up to go watch a fellow named Barry flinging about the same size phony. He says "they are Mayflys".Well I had run into him several days b4,and we set a day later in the week to come back for more observation,and possibly fish those buggers,yaa I was suspicious about these "mayflys",but having talked all over the fishing spectrum I deduced that Barry was definitely well educated in this medium,[we burned up 2 hrs.]Anyway Barry was dropping names like the fortune 500 of flyfishermenso I figured,"when you are in the company of God" don't be an a'hole,keep your mouth shut and keep nodding,condidering my overrunnig mouth,I actually experienced peace and calm.But I'm still in the dark,so I'm asking " does anybody know "? Oh yaa,Barry was using a "Griffith's Gnat". OMG | |
| OMG | March 4th, 2009, 9:50 pm | |
| Posts: 8 | Crap, I forgot ,the body/thorax was"BLACK". | |
| Taxon | March 4th, 2009, 11:48 pm | |
| Mercer Island, WA Posts: 714 | OMG- When some fly fishers speak of a midge, they are simply referring to an extremely small adult aquatic insect. The other (probably more proper) usage of the term refers to certain families of order Diptera (True Flies). You should be able to determine the order by just looking at the wings while the adult is at rest (as opposed to either in flight or expired) and the tails (if any). Mayflies have wings which are held in a vertical (up) position, and have (either 2 or 3) tails. Caddisflies have wings which rest on the abdomen in a tent-like fashion, extending beyond the end of the abdomen, and have no tails. Stoneflies have wings which rest on the abdomen in a flat manner, and have 2 tails. True Flies have wings which rest on the abdomen in a flat manner, and have no tails. Hope this helps. | |
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| OMG | March 10th, 2009, 7:21 pm | |
| Posts: 8 | Taxon,thank you for the info. Yes I believe this insect was an caddis,just simply one of the midge variety.Unfortunately I,ve not been able to get back to the creek I mentioned ,to confirm. Alas time is of the essence,OMG. | |
| DOS | March 19th, 2009, 2:49 am | |
| Buffalo, NY Posts: 64 | Just a quick observation from today... I spent several hours on a NY spring creek where the midges were so think you could not take a breath through the mouth without ingesting several dozen, however I did not witness any clustering. I had this thread in mind while I was doing my observing. | |
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