Troutnut Forum > Fly Fishing Discussion > Sport-Sized Chub
| CaseyP | November 14th, 2006, 10:03 pm | |
| Arlington, VA/ Mercersburg, PA Posts: 290 | how big and how ferocious do "chub" get? using something bright and leggy on a sunny october day, i attracted few of the mostly-newly-stocked brown residents of my local stream. however,under one good tree my day was rescued by the fiestiest creature under a foot i've ever seen. looked like a great big chub, fought like a wee tarpon, jumping high and running hard, and bit anything that moved on the surface. hard. no matter how ratty. in one pod, i pulled out 7 fish, each marginally smaller than the last--went right down the pecking order. the biggest ones were just under a foot. the little guys were more like 5 inches. only the last went airborne, and he only because i expected more resistance. they looked like "chub" but maybe these were something else. or maybe they'd been taking lessons... | |
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| Troutnut | November 15th, 2006, 1:33 am | |
| Fairbanks, AK Posts: 1147 | Where are you fishing? That makes a big difference. If you're anywhere in the northeast USA, you were probably catching fallfish. You can Google them and find plenty of pictures. I caught a few of them up to almost 20 inches on the Beaverkill this September. | |
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| CaseyP | November 15th, 2006, 10:24 pm | |
| Arlington, VA/ Mercersburg, PA Posts: 290 | oh, sorry...this was on a stream in south central PA in Fulton County. we've run into these in another smaller stream nearby in a different watershed, but not so big. checked out "fallfish" on Google. wrong shape. what i caught was much more slender with a very dark top and silver sides and bottom. they had a "goldfish" type mouth instead of two jaws, as well. is there a site that arranges fish by shape and color, like a flower guide? | |
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| Troutnut | November 16th, 2006, 3:26 am | |
| Fairbanks, AK Posts: 1147 | Sounds like a type of redhorse maybe. Google "Fishbase" and you'll find a pretty good reference to all the fish species of the world, although it may be a bit technical in places. | |
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| CaseyP | November 19th, 2006, 5:27 pm | |
| Arlington, VA/ Mercersburg, PA Posts: 290 | All Hail www.fcps.edu.StratfordLandingES/Ecology/mpages/creek_chub they had not only a picture of the little guys, they had all the scientific terminology i needed to go to fishbase and ask about it. and indeed, Fishbase informs me that they have a maximum size of 30 cm, as well as looking exactly like what I found. so i will add that when they ARE that big, creek chub are quite a fun substitute for trout. they eat mosquitoes, so that might explain their size at the end of the summer on that stream, which ran so low and clear for so long. release those wee chubs to grow big and prosper, and we all might have more fun... Casey | |
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| GONZO | November 19th, 2006, 6:56 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1003 | Hi Casey, If it was a group of large creek chubs you encountered, I can't wait to hear your reaction to a pod of decent-sized fallfish! Both fish are commonly called "chubs," but the fallfish (Semotilus corporalis) is larger and more aggressive than the similar and closely related creek chub (Semotilus atromaculatus). The next time you go "chubbing," look at the base of the dorsal fin. A dark spot will identify creek chubs, no spot on fallfish. A big fallfish is only disappointing when you bring it to hand and realize that it's not the nice trout you imagined it was. And they have the charming habit of complaining in a low series of grunts when you try to unhook them. When I was a kid and a fallfish-catcher par excellence, I thought they grunted because I was squeezing them too tightly. Turns out they just like to talk. :) | |
| LittleJ | November 19th, 2006, 9:53 pm | |
| Hollidaysburg Pa Posts: 146 | I have had some similar experiences w/ fall fish. On Bob's Creek in bedford county they litter the slow water. IF you don't lift your line as soon as it leaves the riffles you'll hook fall fish, and a 16-18" fall fish can be fun to land. Jeff | |
| Troutnut | November 19th, 2006, 10:06 pm | |
| Fairbanks, AK Posts: 1147 | I had a fun evening on the lower Beaverkill late this summer during a rise to tiny size 24 flying ants. It was disappointing from a trout perspective (no sign of one), but I caught several 16-19" fallfish, a little smallmouth, and a red-breasted sunfish, all on a tiny ant pattern. The fallfish were quite fun. | |
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| GONZO | November 20th, 2006, 12:12 am | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1003 | It truly does my heart good to see such praise and respect for such an unsung fish! And some people say that fly fishers are snobs. I say that any angler who can appreciate chubs and fallfish is a true man of the people. See what I mean, Casey? Chubs and fallfish may not be trout, but they beat a visit from the skunk any day!!! :) | |
| JAD | November 20th, 2006, 12:57 pm | |
| Butler--- Western Pa Posts: 165 | That reminds me of a chup that I caught on a stream called the Driftwood Branch of Sinnemahoning Creek last spring. The fish was every bit of 12 inches maybe more and I was admiring it ,and thinking how long it had been in the stream.One of the fellows said to thumb it that it was a rough fish. I looked at him and said rough fish don't eat dry flies( we know better) so I released it unharmed. now the sad part. The highly concentrated chemical, which is used in drain and oven cleaners, killed tens of thousands of trout, bass and other game fish, plus tadpoles, aquatic insects and waterfowl in 35 miles of those streams extending from southern McKean County through Cameron County and into Clinton County. At the derailment site the chemical was concentrated enough to cause skin burns. He swims no more. Jad | |
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| LittleJ | November 20th, 2006, 3:12 pm | |
| Hollidaysburg Pa Posts: 146 | Jad, I had heard rumor of spill. I was hoping it was just a rumor. We used to have a camp along the stream, but i haven't been back to the area in three years. That is/was one of the most beautiful areas in pa to fish. I would assume that it won't rebound in my lifetime, if ever. Hopefully the chemical didn't make it very far up the many small brookie streams that empty into sinnemahoning. Jeff | |
| CaseyP | November 21st, 2006, 1:23 pm | |
| Arlington, VA/ Mercersburg, PA Posts: 290 | JAD- that's the saddest story i've heard in a very long time. when did this happen? nothing worse than losing a good place. we fish there a thousand times in our minds for every once we make it there in person. two thoughts: one, if the salmon can return to the River Thames in London, then miracles can happen anywhere. it's the time it will take that none of us can afford personally. just have to get out our activist hats and hope the next generation will thank us. two: there's talk that the Gallatin in Montana will be under this kind of threat when the speed limit on the road that runs beside it is raised. large trucks carrying you-name-it race down those mountains anyway and fall into the river... your signature says it all: better we knew the place when it was wonderful than never knew it at all. | |
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| JAD | November 22nd, 2006, 9:02 pm | |
| Butler--- Western Pa Posts: 165 | Hi guys For some reason the PM I sent did not go through to LittleJ CaseyP ,and yours did not go through to me. soooo I will post pm here so you can read about spill. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=portage+run+spill&btnG=Google+Search Ps-- got skunked at Erie today Humbling JaD | |
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| GONZO | November 22nd, 2006, 9:41 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1003 | Hey John- After the huge numbers of steelies you've been racking up lately on the Erie tribs, I wouldn't be too humbled. I don't wish a skunking on anyone (well...no one here anyway), but you were overdue, pal! :) | |
| JAD | November 23rd, 2006, 9:36 am | |
| Butler--- Western Pa Posts: 165 | The fish Gods were frowning on me yesterday, don't know why???. I really didnt care great day , I watched a crappy fisherman sitting on a bridge catch fish after ( I'm not kidding ) with a bare chrome jig head, no costly rod & reel no super cloths no 5 mil boots but he had the smile---that I needed. Very warm Regards Watch that desert today:) John | |
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