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| Martinlf | January 2nd, 2007, 5:30 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 933 | Does anyone know how useful this reference is for PA streams? | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
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| Taxon | January 3rd, 2007, 5:32 pm | |
| Mercer Island, WA Posts: 506 | Louis- Haven't had the opportunity to fish Pennsylvania streams, but based on the comprehensive nature of the book, my guess is that it would be exceptionally useful. You can take a look at the subject matter covered on this link. | |
| Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
| Martinlf | January 3rd, 2007, 7:44 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 933 | Roger, thank you. I will take a look. | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
| GONZO | January 7th, 2007, 4:14 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 952 | Louis, The Ames book that Roger mentions is a very good one, in my opinion. The taxonomy was up-to-date as of its publication (2000), and it is one of the few angling entomologies where I have found no misidentification of photographed specimens. (Though the fact that the photos represent sections that are variously identified to species, genus, or just family levels somewhat simplified the author's task.) It includes a number of excellent photographs of caddisfly pupae, which alone make a fairly unique contribution when compared to many earlier texts. And nearly all of the important Eastern trout stream insects are covered. Despite the fact that Ames begins by describing what he feels are significant differences between New England streams and the PA or Catskill streams that featured prominently in many earlier works, virtually all of the species mentioned are also common to PA (and most Eastern or even Midwestern) streams. (Brachycentrus americanus is the only included species I can recall that I haven't encountered in PA.) The only thing that I find disappointing is the section on the Eastern Drunella species. His description of them as primarily #18-20 flies that hatch at midday in July, bothered me quite a bit at first. I have to assume that the author's knowledge of them is limited to summer fishing on tailwaters like the Farmington, and that the much larger, earlier, and usually more important hatching of what used to be called Drunella cornuta (now one of the D. lata synonyms) is not something he has personally experienced. Still, that is a fairly minor issue (even for those with a special affection for this hatch, like me), and I recommend the book highly. | |
| Martinlf | January 7th, 2007, 5:10 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 933 | Gonzo, Thanks for the information. I just have to learn to read everything in all areas of the site before making any replies. But this confirms my inclination to buy the book since you and Jason have led me well down the primrose path to bug geekdom. It's next on my list. Now, if you could just settle that Latin pronunciation issue. Roger and I were arm wrestling a bit with that topic, having some fun again. Take a look if you get time. | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
| GONZO | January 7th, 2007, 6:11 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 952 | Sorry Louis, you and Roger are on your own with regard to the "Latin" pronunciation debate. I've already confided my complete inadequacy in this regard. By the way, I recently tried the "Beet-iss" pronunciation on one of my regular fishing partners. The look he gave me in response is usually expressed by raising a middle digit! :) | |
| LittleJ | January 7th, 2007, 9:39 pm | |
| Hollidaysburg Pa Posts: 139 | gonzo, I tried on beet-is shortly after reading the latin thread myself. Well long story short the "what the **** is that? " response quickly led me back to bay-tis. Jeff | |
| GONZO | January 7th, 2007, 10:36 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 952 | Jeff, I think the most practical rule is to "know your audience." Unless your fly-fishing buddies are entomologists or classics professors, the down-home "Bay-tis" is less likely to draw nasty looks. Unfortunately, my friends come from both sides of the Latin pronunciation tracks, so I'm basically screwed. (Trying to remember which to say to whom is likely to make my brain explode!) :) | |
| Troutnut | January 8th, 2007, 2:18 am | |
| Fairbanks, AK Posts: 1122 | I think the most practical rule is to "know your audience." Good rule! I'm kind of hesitant to be the first one to inject Latin names into the conversation with some new person on the stream. I cringe at the term "BWO" on principle, so I'm kind of stuck... I usually end up saying "(color) size (x) mayflies." | |
| Jason Neuswanger The Troutnut | ||
| Martinlf | January 8th, 2007, 8:20 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 933 | Jeff. I couldn't get very many rises in the Redux thread, and should quit casting, but in case you didn't see the following, I'm cutting and posting it here. I respect Roger (Taxon) immensely, and only wish I had a tenth of his bug knowledge, but I respectfully disagree with his choice of a pronunciation guide. See below: Recently surfing Jason's photos in an attempt to identify some nymphs, I stopped at the Family Heptageniidae and realized that the pronunciation of the double i had me flummoxed, so I did a bit of Googling. The result was the following website: http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf This site not only tells why the ae in baetis should always be pronounced as the a in plate, but also why we pronounce the ae in Caesar with the sound of e in beet, a seeming inconsistency. Gonzo, I'm not obsessing. On Hatches II, I swear I'm not. | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
| Taxon | January 8th, 2007, 8:38 pm | |
| Mercer Island, WA Posts: 506 | Louis- This be respectful refusal, but don't get discouraged; just cast away. | |
| Roger Rohrbeck www.FlyfishingEntomology.com | ||
| Martinlf | January 8th, 2007, 9:13 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 933 | I am; there have to be some stockies in here somewhere. :) | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
| Jlh42581 | January 9th, 2007, 12:26 pm | |
| Milesburg, Pa Posts: 24 | Its an excellent reference book for pa, thats why I recommended it. It was recommended to me by FlyFishersParadise and received as a gift for valentines day last year. BTW: I live on the Bald Eagle and my Mother lives on Spring Creek ;) | |
| Jeremy | ||
| Martinlf | January 9th, 2007, 8:12 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 933 | Lucky you for such a great fishing location!! Thanks for the recommendation. It appears a number of others on the forum like it also. I'm taking a look soon, and am sure to buy it. | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
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