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Grayling fishing and bug collecting at Nome Creek

By Troutnut on July 10th, 2011
It's been a busy year, and this is the first time I've been out fly fishing. My wife and I drove up to Nome Creek for a couple hours, looking for some easy action on small grayling, and it did not disappoint. I was still threading the line up through my guides when I heard her calling from the stream with a grayling on her fly. I told her that since she got the first fly-caught fish of the year, she can officially wear her I outfish my husband! merchandise now.



I also collected some nymphs for the site for the first time in a few years, including several mature Ephemerella aurivillii nymphs. Our dog Taiga had not experienced kick-netting before, but she decided to try to be as helpful as she could, imitating me by walking in front of the net and pawing at the water. The collection was very successful.

Photos by Troutnut from Nome Creek in Alaska

Closeup insects by Troutnut from Nome Creek in Alaska

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EntomanJuly 14th, 2011, 4:17 pm
Northern CA & ID

Posts: 2604
Spence -

Ha! I edited the post less anyone think I'm referring to those involved in the current process (this writer excluded from that exemption). Thanks for the heads up. Posts can be a tricky thing.

Roger's going to think you and I have been out drinking together...


That cat's out of the bag I think, at least from a cyber perspective.:)
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
TroutnutJuly 14th, 2011, 5:07 pm
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Bellevue, WA

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No bastardizations of the scientific name? Hmm. I guess that rules out caling them Iillivirua, then.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
EntomanJuly 14th, 2011, 5:28 pm
Northern CA & ID

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Ha Ha! No, actually that kinda works as a play on the word. Wrong color though. How about Pink Unicorn May? Na...

Names with a little malva in them:

Pale Hendrickson
Western Pink Hendrickson
Aurora May (I like this one)
Aurora Dun (even better)
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
PaulRobertsJuly 14th, 2011, 8:18 pm
Colorado

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What would Ernie call it?
TroutnutJuly 14th, 2011, 8:25 pm
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Bellevue, WA

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Pale Hendrickson


They don't seem much paler than normal Hendricksons.

Western Pink Hendrickson


But they're found east, west, and Europe, and Asia.

Aurora Dun (even better)


But they're not exclusively northern, and when they are northern, they emerge during the time of year with a midnight sun when the aurora aren't visible.

This figuring out a good common name is hard work! I'm still partial to calling them Bigfoot.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
KonchuJuly 14th, 2011, 10:00 pm
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Indiana

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Since I get to establish names in another realm, I should probably stay out of the fray here, but I can't resist.

Why not call them Boreal Duns (auroras have the borealis and australis varieties) or Yeti Duns?

Yeti would be fitting, because one of the ID features used historically for the nymphs is a proportionately large leg.
KonchuJuly 14th, 2011, 10:08 pm
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Indiana

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Just checked, and my old Audubon Society fieldguide calls ephemerellids (and more specifically, Ephemerella subvaria) the Midboreal Mayflies. So, my "Boreal" name is a case of mild subconscious plagiarism, but maybe fitting. Has anyone else heard this moniker for the Ephemerellidae? I wonder who coined it?
OldredbarnJuly 15th, 2011, 12:12 am
Novi, MI

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Come on boys lets name it after Lena! She's the one that deserves some credit here...How long has it been that she's been lost in the tundra waiting for her hubby to find his way out of there and back home to nice, known, predictable hatches?!

I'll let you poets come up with the proper form etc...But it should have Lena somewhere in there.
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
EntomanJuly 15th, 2011, 1:11 am
Northern CA & ID

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Jason -

Bigfoot? Ok, it's your call...:) If it ever takes off (which I seriously doubt), it's going to be interesting the way angler historians explain how it came by that name long after we're gone.:)

Luke -

Boreal Dun. Hmmm... Soothing to the ear - acknowledges the region of it's first photo imaging (at least by somebody that knew what he was photographing) - easy to remember - a great description of it's universal distribution north of somewhere - and no, I've never heard that common name used anywhere. It's perfect; which is why it will probably never catch on. But WE should at least try.

Of course we could always call it the "Lt. Neuswanger". For that to work though, somebody would have to design a fly christened in the honor of our friend that also catches the public attention for being deadly during the hatch. How about something with a pinkish tan dubbed body, dun hackle and ... What about wing material? On a lark, how about trying Woodduck flank?
"It's not that I find fishing so important, it's just that I find all other endeavors of Man equally unimportant... And not nearly as much fun!" Robert Traver, Anatomy of a Fisherman
OldredbarnJuly 15th, 2011, 11:21 am
Novi, MI

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It seems to me that "common names" come about after a long tradition of many anglers having some sort of experience with the bug...Jason...You are probably, for the most part, alone most of the time there on that stream...You will need a little more human traffic up that way in order for a "nickname" to stick. Those flies are hatching and maybe the fish are feeding on them in obscurity...It's like the old "tree falling in the woods" thing...

(Example: It will never get a nickname like "Fishermen's Curse" because there are no "fishermen" there to be cursed in the first place...You will need a little bigger crowd.)

Can we spell an exercise in futility??? I say name it after your sweet-heart and get some brownie points in the process...Forget science, and form, and tradition, or best practises...None of us are going to jump in to the station wagon and drive up the Al-Can and stop you...Go for it buddy...You are on your own. Out on the frontier. Step up to the plate Casey! Take a turn at bat.

"What would Ernie say?"...He probably would have a twinkle in his eye and give us a wink and say he agrees with the wacky-dutchman on this one..."Name it after the girl!", I think he would say. We need Lloyd, or Mark Libertone, or Shawn Davis, to give us an artsy name for the color of this critter...It's not just red...

We have a long tradition of names like Parmachene Belle, Cornine's Quill, I'm actually drawing a blank here, that roll off the tongue and have a romantic lilt to it. This doesn't happen much but I'm for a loss for words...Someone help me out here...I kind of like "Boreal Duns". That is a long the lines of what I'm trying to say...But if I get a vote...No to Yeti...:)

Spence

I'm starting a "write-in" campaign..."The Lena Dun"
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
GONZOJuly 15th, 2011, 12:04 pm
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Just to strengthen your argument, Spence, some meanings given for Lena's name include "light," "alluring," and "temptress." It gets my vote. Or perhaps you could combine it with Konchu's Boreal Dun to become "Boreallena." What do you think? Too much? :)

We need Lloyd, or Mark Libertone, or Shawn Davis, to give us an artsy name for the color of this critter...It's not just red...

Personally, I'm against drawing too fine a color line because it sometimes becomes another source of common name confusion. The name "Chocolate Dun" for Ephemerella needhami is an example, but that's another story. (Let's just say that some E. needhami are a shade of "chocolate" that I would never eat.)

OldredbarnJuly 15th, 2011, 2:10 pm
Novi, MI

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Just to strengthen your argument, Spence, some meanings given for Lena's name include "light," "alluring," and "temptress." It gets my vote.


Gonzo said this J not me...;) I wasn't "flirting" or anything...

(Let's just say that some E. needhami are a shade of "chocolate" that I would never eat.)


Are you saying a more appropriate name would of been "Poop Dun"? Just asking...

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
KonchuJuly 15th, 2011, 7:26 pm
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Indiana

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Ephemerella aurivillii was named after a Swedish naturalist. I think it was this one .
TroutnutJuly 15th, 2011, 7:47 pm
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Bellevue, WA

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Are you saying a more appropriate name would of been "Poop Dun"? Just asking...


Gonzo recently informed me that needhami does come in brown and olive versions, so your suggestion is better than you think.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
OldredbarnJuly 15th, 2011, 8:07 pm
Novi, MI

Posts: 2600
Gonzo recently informed me that needhami does come in brown and olive versions, so your suggestion is better than you think.


Hey Jason! You think I'm just playing here?! ;) Lloyd would be a good clue writer for Jeopardy. He kind of led me there on that one.

Luke,

Thanks for the link...It seems to me that a great many of the old naturalists did a lot of their own illustrations...Is drawing a part of the curicula for the natural sciences?

Spence
"Even when my best efforts fail it's a satisfying challenge, and that, after all, is the essence of fly fishing." -Chauncy Lively

"Envy not the man who lives beside the river, but the man the river flows through." Joseph T Heywood
Jmd123July 15th, 2011, 8:52 pm
Oscoda, MI

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Lena's Pink Boreal Quill Dun. Is that poetic enough for you troutnuts???

Jonathon
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
KonchuJuly 15th, 2011, 9:07 pm
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Indiana

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@Oldredbarn--a course in illustration certainly was part of my curriculum, and the curricula of many of my contemporaries. It is part of the historic tradition. More importantly, though, I think people who have an eye for drawing also have the eye for detail that makes a naturalist a naturalist. In many ways, they are of the same ilk.
Jmd123July 15th, 2011, 9:15 pm
Oscoda, MI

Posts: 2531
Spence, I was never required to take a course in illustration, though I made quite a few in my own notes. I did, however, take Photography for Field Biologists at the University of Michigan Biological Station back in the summer of 1986 - back in the days of Ektachrome E-6 chemistry and darkrooms...how easy we all have it now with digital cameras and computers!

Jonathon
No matter how big the one you just caught is, there's always a bigger one out there somewhere...
TroutnutJuly 16th, 2011, 6:12 am
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Bellevue, WA

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Added more mayflies that hatched out in my aquarium today -- a male Cinygmula dun, and a totally intact male Ephemerella aurivillii dun/spinner.
Jason Neuswanger, Ph.D.
Troutnut and salmonid ecologist
PaulRobertsJuly 16th, 2011, 8:23 am
Colorado

Posts: 1776
I'll bet this is the kind of discussion "Hellgrammite" came out of.

Aurora Borealis? Doh! That's taken.

OK...we want to be descriptive -something useful.

"Little Boreal Hendrickson"? = size, range, pattern. But confess I don't like the use of "Hendrickson" bc that conjures up all kinds of things about a particular insect that may simply not apply to this one.

How about "Ephemerella aurivillii"? Then, any info that comes down the line in the future will be properly attached to the right bug.

I'm not a fan of common names. I was talking wildflowers with neighbors last week and we all had different (perfectly good) names for the same flower: gilia, skyrocket, honeysuckle (bc you can suck the nectar from the fused (tube-shaped) petals). Took us a bit to realize we were talking about the same plant. But, the problem there is the genus was changed from Gilia to Ipomopsis. So...should we now call it Ipomopsis? I guess so. Just like we now call Stenonema fuscum -the pale S. vicarium.

When I see (saw) S. vicarium on the water I just called them "vicarium" or "fuscum". If I was with someone who might not know from whence that came I'd likely say, "Clinger mayfly called "Stenonema; This one is vicarium".They were certainly not "March Browns" bc I wasn't fishing a "March Brown". "March Brown" is a specific fly recipe and too limiting a name for a real creature. I've seen good vicarium imitations tied in different ways/recipes. My favorite was a Haystack derivative that was hackled so I could twitch and skate it -deadly on the bigger bug eaters on eastern streams.

The idea of a common name is to simplify I guess... so some duff can ask "What're they bite'n?" "March Brown", "Hendrickson", "Blue-Winged Olive"... "Little Hendrickson's" in the case of aurivillii I guess. If you called it "Boreal Dun" alone -what would that say? If it lead someone to a book, they'd be stumped.
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