Troutnut Forum > Fly Hatch Talk > pmd hatches in ny?
This topic is about the Mayfly Genus Ephemerella
Ephemerella used to be a "super-genus" containing a myriad of extremely important species, many of which are now spread out among other genera in the Ephemerellidae family. These include the Large Blue-Winged Olives of the Drunella genus and important species like Attenella attenuata, Dannella simplex, and Serratella deficiens. Despite these reclassifications, the Ephemerella genus still contains some of the most important species in North America.
There is a lot of variation between the species; read about each one for the details. Read more...
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The Discussion
| Trouthunter | April 18th, 2009, 8:28 pm | |
| Posts: 2 | I was recently told by a close friend of mine that in the southertier of ny ( finger lakes region) that we have very good hatches of pmds. I was hoping that someone could confirm this or otherwise before I tye up patterns. I have seen what I believe are sulphurs with slightly the same body and wing coloration but again thought that these couldn't be the famed insect. | |
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| GONZO | April 18th, 2009, 9:49 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1312 | Trouthunter, When you hear talk about PMDs being found in the East or Sulphurs being found in the West, it's mostly a name game. Some fly fishers seem confused by recent taxonomic revisions. The species that are traditionally called PMDs in the West are now considered to be synonyms or subspecies of species found in the East: 1. The Western PMD species Ephemerella infrequens and mollitia are now listed as synonyms of E. dorothea infrequens. This Western subspecies is the counterpart of the Eastern subspecies E. dorothea dorothea, the Pale Evening Dun (PED) or Little Sulphur Dun (LSD). 2. The other Western PMD species, Ephemerella inermis and lacustris, are now listed as a synonyms of E. excrucians, which is sometimes called a BWO in the East. So, whether you call them PMDs, PEDs, LSDs, or BWOs, it's really just stirring the bowl of alphabet soup. ;) | |
| Falsifly | April 19th, 2009, 3:56 pm | |
| Hayward, WI. Posts: 292 | Gonzo, You and the many bug guru’s who contribute, immensely, to this sight, have me in total awe. At first, for me, it was mayfly, caddisfly, stonefly, dragonfly and midge. I then advanced my vocabulary to the “taxonomic rank” (if that is even the correct term) of Order: Ephemeroptera, Trichoptera, Plecoptera, Odonata and Diptera. From there things began to get fuzzy in a sea of change, this became that and that became this, with each succeeding book. Even the Latin pronunciation I found dubious. You say caley-BEE-tis; I say caley-BAY-tis. In an effort to keep up I find myself in a quandary, should I hit the water and fish the hatch like this guy, displaying his fine catch with the thumbs-up?  Or should I hit the water with study material in hand, like this guy, only to find myself in a tangled mess?  All kidding aside, thanks to the many for the invaluable contributions. | |
| Falsifly When asked what I just caught that monster on I showed him. He put on his magnifiers and said, "I can't believe they can see that." | ||
| GONZO | April 19th, 2009, 4:33 pm | |
| "Bear Swamp," PA Posts: 1312 | :):):) Ha! Thanks, Falsifly. Of course, we should all hit the water in any (legal) way that we enjoy. For me, learning about all of the arcana that surrounds the sport has been a lifelong obsession. Although I find that it enriches the experience and has even simplified many aspects of it (particularly the number of flies that I carry astream), I don't expect that everyone shares those interests. That's OK. I do sometimes wonder if fly fishing isn't just a convenient excuse to remain connected to the streams that I love and the things that live in and around them. Even if that's true, I think it's probably as good a reason as any to fly fish. As for the Latinized language, the great thing about posting online is that I can use words like Stenochironomus poecilopterus without having to pronounce the damn things! :) | |
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