Troutnut Forum > Fly Fishing Discussion > leader to line, loop to loop attachments
| Ducfat | March 26th, 2008, 9:14 am | |
| Posts: 9 | What are the pros and cons of using a perfection loop tied in the end of the fly line to attach it to a loop in the butt end of the leader, as opposed to nail knotting a short length of leader butt section to the end of the fly line, putting a loop in its other end, and using this as your fly line end of the loop to loop attachment? Does the loop directly tied in the fly line magnify the hinging effect? What length and what diameter of monofilament would you use in the nail knot and loop set up (using 4,5, or 6 wgt. line) Thanks for any info. Tim | |
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| Wbranch | March 26th, 2008, 4:59 pm | |
| Starlight PA Posts: 230 | Well in my opinion it is going to be goofy looking and anyone who sees it is going to say (to himself) "that guy must not know how to tie a nail knot". If you tie a Perfection loop in the end of your fly line you are going to have to use leaders no longer than the length of your rod otherwise the leader is either going to break the tip of your rod or if it does go down past the tip top it might not come back out very smoothly. If you don't know how to tie a nail knot you couild use one of those braided loops that Orvis sells and then you slide a little piece of red tubing down over the loop and down to the end of the braided material. I prefer to use a piece of nylon, about 6" - 8" long, nail knotted to my fly line. I don't know if there is a specific formula for the size of the nylon butt but I like to use a piece no less than 2/3 the diameter of the end of my fly line. | |
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| Martinlf | March 26th, 2008, 5:03 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 907 | I like the Caucci superglue splice for its smooth transition and have never had one fail in years of fishing. (Whitlock has an approach to this also, but it only works on knotless leaders). | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
| Wbranch | March 26th, 2008, 5:19 pm | |
| Starlight PA Posts: 230 | Louis's approach is good too. There is also a little dohicky I saw made of a short piece of molded plastic. It is tapered on each end and there is a hole through it and a slot on one side. It is about 3/8" long. You slide the end of your fly line through one end and tie a simple over hand knot and pull it as tight as you can and push the knot into the slot and then pull the fly line so the knot butts up against the inside of the dohicky. Then you take your leader and cut off the Perfection loop and slide the butt end through the hole on the other end of the dohickey and tie another over hand knot, pull it very tight, cut off the excess tag end and push the knot into the slot and pull the leader tight and now you are ready to fish and there is a nice smooth transition that slides easily in and out of your tip top. I'm old school and just plain stubborn so that is my excuse for preferring the nail knot to affix my butt to my fly line. If you want to make a smoother transition all you need is to take a tube of clear and pliable cement and apply it to the nail knot and to the line and leader so it is tapered on both ends. Let it dry and it will last for the life of the line. | |
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| JAD | March 29th, 2008, 4:43 pm | |
| Butler--- Western Pa Posts: 157 | I like the Caucci superglue splice for its smooth transition and have never had one fail in years of fishing. (Whitlock has an approach to this also, but it only works on knotless leaders). Louis Louis is responsible for my method. Here goes I use the Caucci method except I use a nail Knot. I run the .013 Maxima leader 1/2 inch up the line then nail knot then glue with special Vinal 2 part glue(3M Ultra Flex) over fly line and leader.(Cool stuff).The .013 Maxima leader is two feet long then I use a leader ring --http://www.sportfish.co.uk/product/34131/Leader_Rings.html-- then I attach my leader , the advantage to this is your leader never gets any shorter the hole season. Yes it does work with dry fly the little ring does not sink the fly line or leader. I think the rings were a Czech idea. I have been using this method for over a year and have caught 15# Steelhead with no failures. Louis see what you started If its simple I can make it complicated:) I hope this helps someone John Another link--http://www.pechetruite.com/Noeuds/Tippet-ring.htm | |
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| Martinlf | March 29th, 2008, 8:26 pm | |
| Palmyra PA Posts: 907 | OK, John, let's open up another can of worms. What knot do you use on the ring? Yes, I know, you did show me, but damned if I can remember it. | |
| Louis Is it not an art to deceive a trout with an artificial fly? A trout! that is more sharp-sighted than any hawk . . . and more watchful and timorous than your high-mettled merlin is bold! --Izaak Walton The Compleat Angler | ||
| JAD | March 29th, 2008, 9:26 pm | |
| Butler--- Western Pa Posts: 157 | Louis The knot I showed you is called the swirl knot. I can't find the knot on the net,but it's on Swishers Richards Vcr tape I'll show it to you later if you can't find VCR tape. Second best is--(As good- not as fast) is the Davy Knot,I like the Swirl for tying the fly,but like the Davy knot for tying the dropper fly. You can use the Davy Knot for tying the fly on just not as fast, both are full prof knots. For years I called the Davy Knot the over under knot till Davy Wotton invented it.:) John | |
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